God help this country...

[olde_fashioned]

You know, they say you can judge a person (and a nation) by how they treat the helpless and those unable to defend themselves.

This poster doesn't even need any words. It speaks for itself.



(click to enlarge, and the original image courtesy of THIS SITE)

(and oh, yeah, to any potential trolls -- don't even think about starting a flame war in the comments. I'm not in the mood for it!)

ETA: I always find it interesting how I get unfriended by people whenever I post something even remotely political. ;-P

Comments

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

I feel sorry for those babies that will never even know what life they lost. :-(

[elea24.livejournal.com]

I should probably point out for the record that I am personally pro-choice. But I have always believed that there should be a cut-off point (admittedly 'how far' is hard to define and where a lot of the debate comes in) and that 'viable' phoetuses should not be aborted. The cut-off point is something that keeps getting consistantly pushed further back in most western countries.

Like I said, I'm pro-choice, but that also means that I believe that people should be responsible for their decisions. If you decide to have an abortion you should not wait until you could actually give birth to a viable baby. There is always adoption if the pregnancy gets that far, and I personally think the law should enforce that abortion be allowed only before a baby can be viably born.

I clicked on the poster link, not because I'm an Obama supporter or opposer (I'm a Brit, and so even though the media is saturated with the US election, ultimately, it isn't up to me to make a decision about it) but because I simply wanted to know the arguement behind it. I was shocked by the video, and the information about the viable little babies being left alone to die (are we in ancient greece?! Do we really still expose babies?!) but, at the end of the day, I'm still pro-life, and I can't say I have any particularly stong feelings towards Obama (I personally think all politicians have some kind of illicit agender no matter the party).

But I just wanted to say that even though this post neither expressed my views, nor ultimately changed them, I still appreciated reading a different opinion.

What I can't stand is the 'just because' views (which aren't proper opinions imo) which aren't based on any facts but just a "I hate that person in the orange jumper just because I hate orange," attitude.

You have expressed your opinion and demonstrated a reason why you have formed that opinion --without being rude or insulting. From your other posts I know you to be a very sensitive, kind and intelligent person, so I know that your not 'just because' hater just for the sake of hate. Even if I don't necessarily share your beliefs, it doesn't affect what I think of you as a person. I don't find anything remotely insulting or offensive about this post and find it hard to grasp that other 'open-minded' people can be so offended.

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

And for the record, as well, I have no problem whatsoever with you (or anyone else) being pro-choice, but rather how they express it. I think everyone pretty much knows where I stand, on abortion, at least, so I won't get into that subject with you unless you want to discuss it further, but Obama does support depriving those babies who have survived abortion attempts, been born, and are capable of living on their own independent of their mothers of any rights whatsoever. That is incomprehensible, to me.

I personally think all politicians have some kind of illicit agender no matter the party.

I think it's safe for me to say I agree with that statement! I hate politics. One of my grandma's friends told a very clever joke about them -- he said "politics" is a word with Greek roots. "Poly" meaning many, and "ticks" meaning bloodsuckers. ;-P

What I can't stand is the 'just because' views (which aren't proper opinions imo) which aren't based on any facts but just a "I hate that person in the orange jumper just because I hate orange," attitude.

I agree with you completely! And heaven save me from becoming that sort of person!!!

You have expressed your opinion and demonstrated a reason why you have formed that opinion --without being rude or insulting. From your other posts I know you to be a very sensitive, kind and intelligent person, so I know that your not 'just because' hater just for the sake of hate. Even if I don't necessarily share your beliefs, it doesn't affect what I think of you as a person. I don't find anything remotely insulting or offensive about this post and find it hard to grasp that other 'open-minded' people can be so offended.

Awww, thank you very much for that. :-) See, I'm continually amazed at how people who professedly agree with me are often more hostile than those who don't. You're another shining example of those who respectfully agree to disagree, and it's quite refreshing for me to get an opposing opinion that manages to be polite and kind at the same time. :-) I do appreciate it! (and thank you for taking the time to comment to that effect.) :-D

[reconditarmonia.livejournal.com]

Actually, you'll be pleased to hear that the whole babies-left-to-die-in-utility-rooms is a combination of exaggeration and complete untruth on the part of the rightwing. You may not agree with Mr. Obama's view about abortion, but we all agree that a born child deserves medical care. Luckily, that's what actually happens. See:

-Illinois already had a law that protected born infants, so the law that Mr. Obama didn't vote for (he actually voted "present," not "no") would have been redundant.

-Mr. Obama has said that he didn't vote for the bill because it contained language that could have been used to limit abortion rights. (A similar bill later became a federal law, but it has a clause that says it can't be used to expand or contract abortion rights.)

-Women don't just have late abortions because, eight months in, they suddenly don't feel like being pregnant anymore. It's sad that you think so little of your own gender! When an abortion happens late enough for the fetus to even hypothetically be viable, it's because there's a really serious health issue on the part of either the woman or the fetus. Now, no one waits that long to have an abortion unless there's a medical issue. These are women who really, really want to have children, but can't because something has gone wrong in the pregnancy. (And they certainly wouldn't let a doctor leave their infant to die in a back room! They'd want to hold him or her.) These are a really small percentage of abortions, by the way. But the thing is, if the health issue on the part is that serious, the fetus cannot live. This is for things like anencephaly, which is being born without a brain.

-Doctors already provide medical care for delivered babies that can't live. It's called palliative care, and the idea is to make their last hours as comfortable and pain-free as possible. They do this without any law making them. But the law would have made the doctors take heroic measures to "save" a child that could never live anyway - they would just drag out its life in pain.

So, basically, whatever your position on abortion itself, you can be sure that Mr. Obama does not support letting babies die in hospital back rooms. :)

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

It's interesting to me how a child that is five minutes old is deemed fit for medical care by pro-abortionists, while if that very same child was six minutes younger it would be fair game for the abortion doctors.

Just because Obama said his only reasons for voting against the bill were because of restricting abortion rights doesn't make it so. Perhaps you are unaware that he has lied over 150 times in this campaign so far and counting.

It's incredibly naive to think that a woman would never abort her child (full term or not) unless she had no other option, or that every doctor who has just signed the death warrant of a baby would take pains to ease it's death.

And as for my "thinking so little of my sex," I think as highly of women as I do men. Men are not better than women, and women are not better than men, and any member of either sex that would happily murder innocent beings is less than human.

I suppose you should be grateful that your mother chose not to exercise her right to choose to deny you your own life.