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"The American Family Association (AFA) launched the boycott yesterday because McDonald's joined the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce several months ago and placed an executive on the group's board of directors, in addition to donating to the chamber."

Are you sure you want to support gay marriage with your money? Because that is what McDonald's is doing with the profits that they make when you purchase their (not very tasty and not at all healthy) food. (and how come we can't have a Straight People Chamber of Commerce??)

No more iced coffees for me! ;-D

Note: I'm posting this for the benefit of those who would be grateful to learn about this boycott. If you're looking for a flame war, argument, or to push your pro-sodomite agenda, then please don't bother to comment. Comments will be screened and deleted if necessary.

(I'm also aware that McDonald's is not the only company guilty of this, so please don't start where-would-it-all-end-how-come-you're-not-boycotting-so-and-so-too. For the record, I still boycott Disney.)


The association asked McDonald's to remove itself from the chamber but the burger-maker declined, leading to the boycott. "We're saying that there are people who support AFA who don't appreciate their dollars from the hamburgers they bought being put into an organization that's going to fight against the values they believe in," Tim Wildmon, the association's president, said yesterday.

After meeting with Wildmon, the corporation refused to withdraw their support for the Chamber. "...In fact, McDonald's strongly told us that they are reaffirming their commitment".


One News Now article

Washington Post article

Boycott McDonald's

I for one say Happy Meals are not that great anyway; certainly not enough to keep me from denying the radical and liberals who enjoy forcing homosexuality down our throats my money. They don't care what we think because they think we're insignificant (and I heard an "expert" say as much on the news tonight!) and we keep giving them our money, anyway. I say let's show them!! If they don't want to listen to us, then they don't need to enjoy the music of our money that they dance to all the way to the bank, either.

Date: 2008-07-06 01:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ancientwhispers.livejournal.com

I was going to post something about this! I will definitely be boycotting! Never really cared for McDonald's anyway, and I hardly eat fast food as it is, so I won't miss it too much. Do you know what other companies (besides Ford and Disney) support gay organizations?

Date: 2008-07-06 01:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
Far too many. Heinz, for one -- I read that they aired an add in England with same sex kissing. *pukes* The AFA probably has a list on their website.

Date: 2008-07-06 02:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hisgirl21.livejournal.com
Thanks for informing us. :D

Date: 2008-07-06 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
My pleasure. :-)

Date: 2008-07-06 02:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callwolf.livejournal.com
Everyone is entitled to their opinion I guess. Unfortunately, I will also be boycotting, however my boycot has to do with bigotry and closedmindedness. A pity, as I really enjoyed your icons.

Date: 2008-07-06 03:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
I'd like to know why it is bigoted and closeminded for me to express my opinion? It is not considered closeminded for a liberal to express theirs. It's only closeminded and called bigotry if a conservative does it.

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Date: 2008-07-06 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ceallaighgirl.livejournal.com
How open-minded of you.

Date: 2008-07-06 03:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lady-eliz.livejournal.com
Dropping you from my friend's list. I don't tolerate this kind of political crap.

Date: 2008-07-06 03:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
That's perfectly fine. I make no bones about my beliefs in my profile, however, and a quick read might have saved you from distressing yourself.

Date: 2008-07-06 03:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ancientwhispers.livejournal.com
Why is it that people tolerate anything except true Christian beliefs? Oh, what a fallen world we live in!

Date: 2008-07-06 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
I know. It's sad.

Date: 2008-07-06 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabrinafair2.livejournal.com
I think McDonald's is bad for you anyways just for health reasons. Have you seen Supersize Me? Freaked me out so bad, I didn't touch anything there for like 6 months. As for gay marriage I'm kinda have a weird stance on it or more likely I just haven't made up my mind. I'm definitely against gay hate crimes, etc. it doesn't do any body any good. I'm against gay marriage (definition of marriage is a union between a man and woman, plus its a religious ceremony), but I'm not strictly opposed for them having some sort of a union, just not marriage...

Oh and just curious why are you boycotting Disney?

Date: 2008-07-06 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
I know. Aside from taste, (or a significant lack thereof) their food is so unhealthy is not even funny.

I am against hate crimes in all shapes and forms. I oppose violence and vandalism and things of that sort, and I believe it's wrong. However I do not think it is a hate crime to express opinions that a particular act or lifestyle is a sin, and to withhold one's financial support for those reasons.

I don't really care if they live together, because I do not think the government should tell us what we can and can't do in our own homes. I do object, however, to the efforts of the homosexual community to change the definition of marriage and shove their views down the throat of the rest of the American public. If this were to go to the voters, it would never come close to passing, not even for an instant, and I think they know that, and that's why they're attempting to skirt the public and appeal to the liberal judges. [/rant]

I boycott Disney (and have for literally years) for similar behaviour as McDonald's. They have "Gay Days", promote and encourage such a lifestyle by attempting to indoctrinate innocent children.

Date: 2008-07-06 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] midenianscholar.livejournal.com
I heard about this months ago, I think. I remember Dad talking about it. Personally it hasn't effected me much--they still make really, really good sweet tea, which is all I get there when I can help it. (i.e. when we're not on the run and the siblings want to eat there.) Anyway... I don't have a really deep reason for an opinion on it either way. I guess part of me thinks it'd be more productive to minister to the gays/lesbians than boycott someone for supporting them.

Date: 2008-07-06 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] princessjune.livejournal.com
I don't eat at McDonalds anyway, the food is disgusting and very unhealthy.

I respect everyone's opinions and beliefs, so I'm not bothered by what you said or by anyone elses opinion.

Everyone has their own religion and beliefs. But when it comes to Anatomy I believe, that men were made for women and women were made for men.

For some reason, things didn't turn out that way for all of the human species.

Another strange thing is that gays and lesbians are born that way. Why?

I guess we will never know why...



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Date: 2008-07-06 10:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drpaleophd.livejournal.com
Bravo! Bravo!

Once again you lead the way in some real righteousness.

Cross-posted!

Spencer

Date: 2008-07-06 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
Thank you!! *hugs brother* I love you!!

Way to go olde-fashioned

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Re: Way to go olde-fashioned

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Date: 2008-07-07 03:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fencer-42.livejournal.com
Ah thank you for letting me know!
i don't go there any more, because they also support abortion.

thank you!

Date: 2008-07-07 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
Good for you! :-D

Congrats on all the comments

Date: 2008-07-07 02:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lacechenault.livejournal.com
I know you've got to grin about that...

Anyway, I think what you say in here is just silly. And it is, my the definition bigotry.

I'm all for gay marriage and do believe they are born gay. Scientist are on their way in proofing it (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm). But then again your God trumps scientific evidence anyway right?

Also I sometimes hear the argument that marriage is also a religious thing. Then why can atheist get married? My husband and I did, and we are both atheist. It's more of a legal standing in America, and I believe that gays will at some point get the right to marry.

And don't even start with "you hate god!!" I don't think it exists, you cannot hate what doesn't exist. I have plenty of Christian - open minded friends, people in my family are Christian and that's fine by me.

Re: Congrats on all the comments

Date: 2008-07-07 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
I most certainly do NOT grin and congratulate myself on all the comments on this thread. I do not post such things for my amusement. I post them because I feel it is the right thing to do and because I want to stand up for what I believe in.

As for "proving" that homosexuals are born into a life of sin, scientists may claim that all they like. They could claim to have found proof of Marvin the Martian, or the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy, but that doesn't make it true. Scientists are (like the rest of us!) capable of twisting the truth, ignoring the facts, and willfully deceiving the public to pursue their own ends.

Like it or not, marriage was ordained by God, for Adam and Eve. I'm sure an atheist can go to church, too, and take communion or recite the Lord's Prayer. That doesn't make either of those things non-religious.

I think a person could hate something that does not exist, but the truth is that God does exist, whether you choose to acknowledge Him or not. He made you, and He loves you, even though you and all the rest who deny His existence grieves His heart.

Date: 2008-07-07 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyneferankh.livejournal.com
Do you have a list of companies who are known to officially support homosexuality? (As opposed to just have the unofficial "liberal" attitude towards everything ) *curious*

PS
Aha--I knew it was a good idea to talk my parents out of going there the other day ;-) !

Date: 2008-07-07 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
No!! I heartily wish I did, and if you or anyone else reading this has one or knows where to get one, I would be very much obliged if they would share it with me! ;-D

P.S. I knew it was a bad idea to start getting their coffees because they're cheaper than Starbucks. :-/

Date: 2008-07-07 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] librarianofdoom.livejournal.com
I don't normally comment on these sorts of posts, but there's a first time for everything, right?

I'm all for boycotting McDonald's, since their food is disgusting in the first place, but it makes me very sad that this should be your (or anyone's) reason.

I believe that we should be celebrating the fact that two people want to come together in a committed relationship, regardless of their anatomy. I think that gay marriage is worlds better than straight promiscuity. Furthermore, I believe that the government has no business whatsoever deciding what kind of relationship gets privileged. We're talking about the *legal* definition of marriage here, in a country that was founded on the principle of separation of church and state. I don't care in the least whether churches x, y, or z recognize gay marriage. I believe that curtailing someone's civil rights solely on the basis of religious doctrine is fundamentally wrong, particularly when the "sin" in question does not harm anyone else. How can an expression of love and commitment between two consenting adults be harmful?

I have yet to hear a single compelling argument for why homosexuality is wrong. "Because God says so" is not a logical argument. It is only valid if you follow the same doctrine, and the United States encompasses a plurality of religions. "Because God intended sex only for reproduction" falls apart because, as one of my high school biology teachers pointed out, if God created genitals only for the purpose of reproduction, why put so many nerve endings down there?

I realize that you're just being up front about your opinion, and I don't plan to un-friend you (I enjoy your politically neutral posts, and, like you, I can hate the sin but love the sinner), but I did feel compelled to voice my opinion as well.

Date: 2008-07-07 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
Firstly, I would like to thank you (regardless of our differences of opinion) for replying rationally and like an adult, and unlike a lot of the other commenters. It is telling of you as a person that you are able to overlook disagreements and not use "unfriending" as a sort of childish punishment. :-)

I am wholly opposed to heterosexual promiscuity, as well as any other form of sexual sin, whether it be committed with a man and a woman or otherwise. God doesn't discriminate, and neither does sin.

I disagree that America was founded on a lack of Christian virtues. I know it's currently politically correct and popular to say that the Founding Fathers were "deists" or even atheists, but the fact remains that the overwhelming majority of them were upstanding, moral, and God-fearing Christians.

I cannot speak for others, but sometimes I also disapprove of things because they are an "open door" to something else, something worse. For example, while I am against smoking and think it is the height of cruelty to expose a child to second-hand smoke, I do not think it should become illegal to smoke in the privacy of one's home or car. Likewise, if homosexuals were to be granted the right to marry, they might then begin to want Christian pastors to marry them, and cry foul and bring lawsuits against them for discrimination and hate crimes if they were refused.

Sin is not harmless. More than anything else, it harms the sinner, and the argument of "it doesn't harm anyone else" is hardly valid. Why not legalize drugs, or how about prostitution, so long as the parties are consenting adults?

Why is "because God said so" a valid argument? I grant that it may not be so to you, if you have no inclination to follow scriptures, but does that nullify their significance to me? Your saying my convictions (and therefore my beliefs and religion) is "not logical" is the same siort of discrimination as what you are objecting to in my condemning homosexual marriages.

As for the other statement that you brought up, I would not presume to try and understand all of God's reasons for creating us the way He did. If we knew all, and understood all, then we would be the gods, and there would be no point in surrendering our own imperfect judgment to His own.

Again, thank you for behaving like an adult and for commenting with your opinion. :-)

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Date: 2008-07-07 10:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] palladium.livejournal.com
I'm almost afraid to comment here, because I happen to be one of those people McDonald's "supports" -- and I hope this doesn't result in someone getting nasty with me :( -- but I do agree with boycotting McDonald's. Their food is awful, and if it weren't for their coffee I'd try my hardest to never go back.

Well, basically I wanted to say that I really admire you for being able to post your opinions and beliefs, despite the possibility that someone may not agree, or even flame you for it. I'm far too afraid to do things like this, and I may not agree with what you've said, but I respect your opinion and I admire your ability to stand up for yourself.

I also hope that my admition does not cause me to be unwelcome here; I love your icons and I enjoy reading your public entries. ^^;

Date: 2008-07-07 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
You are not unwelcome here, and you have no need to be afraid of me. I may disagree with your beliefs and lifestyle, but I am hardly one to start judging who is fit to view my public posts, homosexual or straight, saint or sinner. The Lord dined with sinners, and reached out to them, and we are supposed to be His salt and light on this earth. :-) So you're welcome to stick around if you like.

Thank you for not joining in on the "bashing" with the others. I am happy to "agree to disagree" and it's nice when others can, too.

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Date: 2008-07-08 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fakeplasticblah.livejournal.com
I just want to say I read your journal a lot and I have some incredibly different ideas about things. I am not religious and I'm not exactly liberal or conservative. My beliefs are actually a mixture of liberal and conservative views. I don't find very many people like me on earth so I'm used to disagreeing with people on all sides.

I find reading thoughts of people who are drastically different than myself in some ways is a lot more interesting than reading thoughts of people who are incredibly similar. So I do encourage you to express your views. That way I can try to understand your thoughts and I can also continue to enjoy your icons and graphics.

Date: 2008-07-08 03:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
Thank you for taking the time to say that! :-) I agree with you that it's stimulating and interesting to converse with people of differing viewpoints, and I do enjoy it, so long as the person in question isn't trying to hammer their views down my throat, lol. ;-)

You are most welcome to express your views, as well! :-)

Date: 2008-07-08 06:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] suededsilk.livejournal.com
I was thumbing through my friends' friend pages, and came across this post via nuranar's journal. Just wanted to offer my support and thank you (sorta) for reminding me of the McDonalds/boycott thing. "Sorta" because I don't mind a chicken McNugget now and again. ;)

I really don't do much eating at McD, so I'm not sure my "boycott" would help much, but I can probably find better places to nosh at if I do get the urge. :) Sometimes, I feel like many boycotts are futile and aggravating, because there are *so many* places that support things I highly disapprove of. To avoid all of them would be quite a chore. However, I think boycotts that have momentum behind them can be helpful, and send a general message, because of said momentum. (And for anyone who seriously disagrees...I don't mind hearing your opinion, but I don't plan to debate it. I'm just not in the mood!)

Anyway, thanks for the reminder, and howdy. :)

Date: 2008-07-08 07:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
I've seen that feature, but never utilized it, and I'm glad you stopped by!

If enough people boycott, it has to make a difference. It's when we all say, "Oh, I'm so small a contribution that I won't make a dent in their sales," that we all spend our money there anyway.

I agree that to avoid all "offending" companies would be next to impossible, but every little bit counts! ;-D

Date: 2008-07-09 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ancientwhispers.livejournal.com
It strikes me as shocking that some of these commenters talk about tolerating all views, yet by their comments they indicate that they are intolerant of the Christian belief to take a stand against certain immoralities. This is what's known as a dichotomy.

Everybody has a belief in something and those beliefs determine what they uphold. There is no such thing as neutrality because of this.

Also, forgive me for not commending you for posting this! *applause* May you be truly blessed for it! "Ye shall know them by their fruit", as it goes. ;-)

Date: 2008-07-13 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] princessjune.livejournal.com
I felt I had to say this.

People may not agree with your views.

But, this is your personal journal. You are also your own person and as an individual you have the right to your opinion.

Once again this is your personal journal and you may post whatever you wish here.

If they don't agree or like it, they may leave, they did not have to leave their nasty remarks.

You didn't insult any of them, so they have no need to insult you.

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