Liberty and Justice for "all"?

[olde_fashioned]

Taken from ceallaighgirl.

I'm dipping my toes in the waters of political blogging, something that I rarely do. I'm stating right up front that I am screening all comments to this thread in anticipation of the nasty comments that I will most likely get because of this. If you want to comment and discuss things rationally like an adult, then that's fine, even if we disagree. If you're coming here to start a fire and blast myself/other commenters, then don't bother.

And those of you who are offended by this, go ahead and unfriend me. It wouldn't be the first time...;-)

According to Barack Obama, once you are born, you are not a person. If you are unwanted and wished dead, it's okay to kill you, because nobody wants you, anyway, and that means you're not a person! Since when does the government (or anyone, for that matter) get to decide which human being is a person and which is not? The next thing you know, people who are born into poverty won't be human beings, either, or those of us who have physical disabilities, or deformities. With this line of thinking, it's okay to kill someone if they are unwanted or deemed a burden. Terri Schiavo, anyone?

Quoted from this article here,

According to Barack Obama, Gianna Jessen shouldn't exist.

Miss Jessen is an exquisite example of what antiabortion advocates call a "survivor." Well into her third trimester of pregnancy, Gianna's biological mother was injected with a saline solution intended to induce a chemical abortion at a Los Angeles County abortion center. Eighteen hours later, and precious minutes before the abortionist's arrival, Gianna emerged. Premature and with severe injuries that resulted in cerebral palsy. But alive.

Had the abortionist been present at her birth, Gianna would have been killed, perhaps by suffocation. As it was, a startled nurse called an ambulance, and Gianna was rushed to a nearby hospital, where, weighing just two pounds, she was placed in an incubator, then, months later, in foster care.

Gianna survived then, and thrives now, because, as she told me recently with a laugh, "I guess I don't die easy."

Those statements are seriously made but, alas, cannot be taken at all seriously. Mr. Obama has compiled a 100% lifetime "pro-choice" voting record, including votes against any and all restrictions on late-term abortions and parental involvement in teenagers' abortions.

[Obama] promises, "the first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act," which would overturn hundreds of federal and state laws limiting abortion, including the federal ban on partial-birth abortion and bans on public funding of abortion.

This is just wonderful. Not only are unborn babies denied rights, but now an already-born, outside-of-the-womb infant are also "not a person." I pray God that anyone who is so morally bankrupt will never be at the healm of our nation, and hold the fates of ourselves and our children in his bloody hands.

Comments

[coldblossom.livejournal.com]

I've never commented on your journal before (other than when I take your pretty icons) but this article makes me physically ill. I have not been, nor will I ever be, an Obama supporter. Still, I had no idea he supported this. And he is quoted in that article as saying he doesn't want to "burden" his daughters with a baby -- how about educating them to abstain and if they can't manage to not have sex (like its truly a hardship) before they're married/ready to have children, then get them birth control, but for God's sake don't ever teach them that a baby is a "burden" that should simply be aborted. What if Michelle had aborted the daughters he now loves so dearly? What if they found out they had aborted siblings? It leads me to wonder if perhaps she has aborted....

This is murder. And the people...specifically those who would vote him into the Presidency, ought to know of it.

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

*applauds your icon* Amen!!!

Welcome to my journal, then, "officially". ;-D I too, have always abhorred the idea of Obama becoming president but I did not know he had such a disgusting opinion of babies and human life in general. You won't be hearing this anytime soon from the liberal wacko media, that's for sure.

I think our culture has chosen to delete the word ABSTINANCE from its vocabulary. And the idea that children are a "burden" is just downright disgusting. A lot of Europe feels this way, and the birth rate of certain countries is significantly lower than their death rate, which means they'll die out in a few generations if they keep their present course.

Imagine if Obama's mother had regarded him as an "unwanted burden." Hmmm, I wonder if he's ever thought about how lucky he is that his mother chose not to excercise her "right"?

[savyleartist.livejournal.com]

*clap* Very well put. I don't understand how any logical human being can not see this simple solution to somethign they call a 'problem'. If Obama is such a visionary, why can he envision a more moral and logical America?

[ceallaighgirl.livejournal.com]

It's really sad how few people don't know this about him. I've known about this for a long time and I've been trying to get the word out, but nobody wants to talk about it (and lots of people don't believe it!).

Great icon!

[savyleartist.livejournal.com]

Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.

It's so refreshing to find someone who agrees with me on subjects of polotics. It's very rare to find some one who puts out their political opinion like an adult. I only know a few people like this, and even fewer who agree with me.

The next thing you know, people who are born into poverty won't be human beings, either, or those of us who have physical disabilities, or deformities. With this line of thinking, it's okay to kill someone if they are unwanted or deemed a burden. Terri Schiavo, anyone?
Exactly, who is Obama, or any pro-abortion person, to dictate who is a person. With this it'll only snowball like you said.

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

Wow, lol. :-) You're welcome! And I am likewise happy to meet a conservative person. :-) We are too few and far between, so welcome to my journal.

[last-archangel.livejournal.com]

Thank you for being so brave to say this. Many pro-lifers are either too afraid to say anything, or they're too disheartened by what seems to be an endless, futile fight. I'm glad you still have the passion to get angry. I just get...tired. And sad. I used to get angry; I wish I still could.

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

I don't know that I am being very brave, when I am quite outspoken at home and somewhat less so online.

I too, get tired, and sad, and almost apathetic at times. But then I remember that that's what they want, and the last thing I want is to give in to the likes of baby killers. (plus I have a lot of Scottish and Irish blood in me -- perhaps that's where I get my temper!! lol)

[kailorien.livejournal.com]

Thats just nasty! And very very wrong! Because I don't like him for his opinions, does that mean I can consider him "not a person" and because he's so willing to allow other to take a life, does that make it right to take his? That of his family? No. It doesn't.

I'm completely against abortion. I don't care how you got pregenant (in that sense, I do have compassion and empathy for those that go through things like rape etc...) but there are always other options, adoption, foster care, plus some of us believe in a wonderful God who creates every single unborn child (that includes you and me) for a destiny and a purpose in Him.

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

Exaaactly. He's lucky his mother didn't choose her "right" over her child!

That's a touchy issue, but why should the child be punished more harshly for it's father's crime than most hard-core murderers in prison are treated? I believe that is what adoption is for.

[ladyneferankh.livejournal.com]

I've been reading about this, I honestly don't see how people can know about this and really believe that the man is an "idealist" * shudder *

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

Unless the definition of "idealism" has changed to one of mass murder. :-/

[sabrinafair2.livejournal.com]

Although, I am somewhat left-wing on most topics, I cannot justify the murder of an innocent infant. IMO as soon as an embryo is formed it is a living human being. And no one except God has the right to take his or her life away. The only cases where I can somewhat justify it, is if there is a rape situation. And even then, it's very hard for me to agree with it. Partial-birth abortions, are especially unjustifiable to me. I just don't understand at all, how anyone could go through with an abortion or be pro-choice for a matter of fact. It seems so senseless to me, when so many couples want to children and can't have them; why not save a life and choose adoption?

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

AMEN!! Very well put. I couldn't have said it any better. It's not the child's fault his father chose to rape his mother, and that's what adoption is for.

LORD HAVE MERCY

[lucilla27.livejournal.com]

This does not surprise me.
I am terrified that Mr. Obama will become the next President of the United States.
You are brave indeed.
I posted something very similar in my journal not long ago and many people called me a racist. How dare they!
It has nothing to do with race.
I want a world where my children will grow up to believe all life is sacred.
Mr. Obama is so far left he truly scares me.
What is happening to our world?
God have mercy on us.
God bless you for being this brave.

Kimmy

Re: LORD HAVE MERCY

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

Why is it racist to disapprove of someone's politics? I like Alan Keyes, and he is black. That's just what people say when they are running out of other things, lol.

[magic-frybread.livejournal.com]

Oh my Lord. Thank you so much for sharing this. It sickens me so much to think how people can be so narrow-minded as to see a living human being as only what they want to see, ugh, it's just awful.

Could you please post the link from where you got this article? I'd like to share it with some other pro-life people I know.

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

You're welcome, and I got the article from a blog post by ceallaighgirl, as I linked to her at the beginning of my post. :-) I don't know how she found it, but I'm sure she would not mind if you asked her.

[raven-moon.livejournal.com]

I respect your concerns, but I have some things I would like to point out. I read the article, and noticed a few things. For one, Obama is quoted only sparsely, yet the article is written as though all of it was taken directly from him. Yes, this case is extreme, and obviously upsetting, but I did a little digging on the author of this article, and found that he has published several op-ed pieces like this one, which have been heavily criticized for making drastic claims with little or no evidence. He it part of "American Values," an ultra-conservative Washington think tank, which itself has been criticized even by members of the right wing for not backing up its factual claims.

I know Obama is pro-choice, and it's one of the things I like most about him. (I am happy to calmly discuss why I find that position to be both morally and ethically defensible if you like) However, tis article seems, from all the evidence, to be largely inflammatory, crafted to rouse a sense of emotional outrage in the political arena, rather than inform. I think it is always advisable to take op-ed articles like this with a healthy dose of skepticism.

[ceallaighgirl.livejournal.com]

Obama's voting record speaks for itself. In Illinois he voted against the Induced Infant Liability Act, which would protect babies who survive late-term abortions.

[airehen.livejournal.com]

I agree with you.

As my dad says: "God help us."

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

God help us, indeed.

[renoir-girl.livejournal.com]

Sensational comments are usually disproven and are, therefore, actually boring.

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

Are you saying that Obama does not feel this way about abortion, or that this article has blown this out of proportion?

[viking-quest.livejournal.com]

Any person who's willing to deny the rights of a newborn baby should never become president.

Yay for you to bring this to the attention of others because I never knew about it.

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

Hear-hear!!!

And I never knew about it, either, but I can't say as I'm surprised.

(GORGEOUS icon btw!!)

[midenianscholar.livejournal.com]

Gross. *shudder*

We can prevent this, though. If conservatives turned up to vote for McCain, even though he isn't ideal, we could beat Obama.

If we don't, he'll pass this law and it will be a long, long, long time (if ever) before we can reverse it, and we will never be able to make up for the lost lives.

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

We can prevent this, though.

I know. Only I cannot help but wonder, what McCain will do once he's in office? Granted, he's LIGHTYEARS better than either Hillary or Obama, and I suppose we do not have much of a choice, but we as the Christian right will have empowered him (and will thus be responsable) if he does something unBiblical. I'm not sure I want that on my conscience, but neither do I want Obama in our history books and on our money.

[charmattackk.livejournal.com]

this definitely has nothing to do with your entry, but i must know:

where did you get your layout?? it's fantastic.

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

LOL! Thank you very much! :-) I made it myself using LJ's "Flexible Squares" layout paired with things that I made. The header is Tissot's painting Too Early. :-D

[ephramyfan.livejournal.com]

I thought I would throw my opinion into the mix, even though I'm not American (I live in Canada, which also is pro-choice).

I have to say that I agree with pretty much every statement raven_moon said. I totally respect your opinions and religious beliefs and your right to express them even though I disagree.

I'm a pro-choice feminist, which seemingly has become a bad word of late since most young women don't know anything about feminism and believe that women have very few problems. Anyway, I digress. As a feminist I believe in a womans inherent right to choose what goes on with her own body. Feminism isn't only about the choice to have an abortion, it is also about the right to choose not to have one.

While I agree that abstinence is the best choice (which I currently practice it as well), it is unrealistic to believe that the masses will stop having sex and prevent unwanted pregnancies. While abortion may not be the best choice, I believe it is a woman's choice.

Hope I don't get flamed lol! Just expressing my opinion and I don't mean to offend anyone and I'm sorry if I have.

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

I likewise respect your opinions and beliefs and your right to express them.

Do you mean women in civilized, western nations, or women in third-world countries and the Middle East?

I agree that it is unrealistic to expect the masses to practice abstinence, but we could say the same about drug use. People are going to do it, anyway, so let's make it easier for them and pass laws to that effect.

I'm not going to flame you! And I hope no one else does, lol. ;-)

[sly-pig.livejournal.com]

I say we abort Obama.

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

LOL!!

Yay Nathan!! You have an icon!! ;-D (and mine is pink, especially for you) ;-P

[hrh-regency.livejournal.com]

Thank you for posting this. I've always been pro-life and I was actually in a situation when I was 12 weeks pregnant with my daughter where my fiance's parents convinced my fiance to get me to have an abortion (which of course set off a rage that any mama bear would have when one is too close to her cub).

I cannot stand Obama, he will certainly not be getting my vote.

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

Oh, my. How horrible that you had such pressure put on you, but I applaud you for not giving in!!!

[palladium.livejournal.com]

I just wanted to say that, as a liberal, even I think the things mentioned in this article are disgusting. I don't live in the United States but if I did, Obama certainly would not be getting my vote. (There are, of course, more reasons than just his pro-choice stance, but they're unrelated.)

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

Thank you! I know that not all liberals approve of infanticide, and I appreciate your vocalizing that. :-)

[boundandchained.livejournal.com]

That's actually quite frightening. Wow.

Now where'd I put that voter registration form...

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I know.

Ha!! ;-D

[iheartweasleys.livejournal.com]

Hello there!

I stumbled across your lj from a community where you posted a link to your lovely icons. I've never commented here before which is why I felt the need for this little introduction so I won't be some completely random person (lol).

After reading this entry I felt really compelled to ask you a question. Before that though, I'd like to say that I consider myself pro-choice even though I am a Roman Catholic. Reading accounts like the one you posted in this entry always get to me because I feel abortion is such a horrible thing. I don't care how small it is, to me, at least, it's still a life. That's what I believe and I feel in my heart that abortion is murder.

This being said, I am still pro-choice. And I guess this is where I ask my question, as a pro-lifer, ultimately a ban on abortion is your goal, but as a believer in God wouldn't that be making the decision for a woman to keep their baby and thus take away an opportunity for the woman to either do good or bad by the Lord? Of course not having an abortion would be what we hope for, but by not giving her the option, we have taken away her ability to either pass or fail one of lifes many tests. If she chooses to have an abortion, she will be judged by the Lord in the way he sees fit, but by stepping in and telling her what she can or in this case cannot do, it is almost like interfering.

That being said (trying not to turn this into a novel ;), I am definitely not trying to start anything on your journal, just looking for an opinion. Thank you for your time!

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

And hello back to you!

I appreciate your taking the time and consideration to "introduce" yourself, so thank you for that. :-)

I hope I can answer your question and explain myself tolerably well, so here goes:

The point that you raised about leaving the decision to take a child's life up to the woman could be extended into allowing another human being to decide which persons are fit to live and which are not, such as ending the life of a terminally ill patient, or executing retarded people because they are a "burden" to society or their parents. Murder is murder, and murder is wrong. While I agree with you that we have free will and make our own choices, I do not think our society should leave a heinous act (such as murder) unpunished. Laws are there to protect those who cannot protect themselves, and no group needs this protection more than the unborn and helpless. Even a wild animal has at least some means of defending itself against an attacker, and yet we heap more rights upon a cat, a dog, or a seagull than we do on our own race and our own children.

Yes, God will judge us all in the end for our sins, but does that mean we ought to get off "scott free" during this life? I do not think we should. It is more than just a woman's choice about her own body, it is deciding what constitutes the basic right we have to breathe and walk on this earth.

There is a Latin saying that goes, Qui tacet consentit. (he who is silent agrees.) If we are silent, and allow women to murder their children, then we are just as guilty as they are. "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." If you were standing next to a friend, and a person walked up and was about to kill them, would you stand idly by and allow it to happen? I doubt that you, I, or anyone else would. We would try to stop it, and we should try to stop abortion in all forms. (And also, if abortion is acceptable, then wouldn't that mean that killing your two-year-old is okay, too? That would mean that the likes of Andrea Yates would go unpunished.)

I likewise hope that this is not too long, lol, and that I have answered your question in some way! I am happy to continue this discussion with someone as polite and mannerly as you have been, if I have been unclear in anyway. :-)

[angelofmusic189.livejournal.com]

...This is why (the article) I'm not an Obama supporter, and never will be. I never was.

I can't believe he would support that! It saddens and disgusts me that innocent children are dying this horrific deaths. =( God bless them<3

[olde-fashioned.livejournal.com]

I never was, either, and I never will be.

I can't believe any human being would support something like that. It is pretty sad, isn't it?