olde_fashioned: (baby prayers)
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Taken from [livejournal.com profile] ceallaighgirl.

I'm dipping my toes in the waters of political blogging, something that I rarely do. I'm stating right up front that I am screening all comments to this thread in anticipation of the nasty comments that I will most likely get because of this. If you want to comment and discuss things rationally like an adult, then that's fine, even if we disagree. If you're coming here to start a fire and blast myself/other commenters, then don't bother.

And those of you who are offended by this, go ahead and unfriend me. It wouldn't be the first time...;-)

According to Barack Obama, once you are born, you are not a person. If you are unwanted and wished dead, it's okay to kill you, because nobody wants you, anyway, and that means you're not a person! Since when does the government (or anyone, for that matter) get to decide which human being is a person and which is not? The next thing you know, people who are born into poverty won't be human beings, either, or those of us who have physical disabilities, or deformities. With this line of thinking, it's okay to kill someone if they are unwanted or deemed a burden. Terri Schiavo, anyone?

Quoted from this article here,

According to Barack Obama, Gianna Jessen shouldn't exist.

Miss Jessen is an exquisite example of what antiabortion advocates call a "survivor." Well into her third trimester of pregnancy, Gianna's biological mother was injected with a saline solution intended to induce a chemical abortion at a Los Angeles County abortion center. Eighteen hours later, and precious minutes before the abortionist's arrival, Gianna emerged. Premature and with severe injuries that resulted in cerebral palsy. But alive.

Had the abortionist been present at her birth, Gianna would have been killed, perhaps by suffocation. As it was, a startled nurse called an ambulance, and Gianna was rushed to a nearby hospital, where, weighing just two pounds, she was placed in an incubator, then, months later, in foster care.

Gianna survived then, and thrives now, because, as she told me recently with a laugh, "I guess I don't die easy."

Those statements are seriously made but, alas, cannot be taken at all seriously. Mr. Obama has compiled a 100% lifetime "pro-choice" voting record, including votes against any and all restrictions on late-term abortions and parental involvement in teenagers' abortions.

[Obama] promises, "the first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act," which would overturn hundreds of federal and state laws limiting abortion, including the federal ban on partial-birth abortion and bans on public funding of abortion.

This is just wonderful. Not only are unborn babies denied rights, but now an already-born, outside-of-the-womb infant are also "not a person." I pray God that anyone who is so morally bankrupt will never be at the healm of our nation, and hold the fates of ourselves and our children in his bloody hands.
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Date: 2008-06-15 05:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coldblossom.livejournal.com
I've never commented on your journal before (other than when I take your pretty icons) but this article makes me physically ill. I have not been, nor will I ever be, an Obama supporter. Still, I had no idea he supported this. And he is quoted in that article as saying he doesn't want to "burden" his daughters with a baby -- how about educating them to abstain and if they can't manage to not have sex (like its truly a hardship) before they're married/ready to have children, then get them birth control, but for God's sake don't ever teach them that a baby is a "burden" that should simply be aborted. What if Michelle had aborted the daughters he now loves so dearly? What if they found out they had aborted siblings? It leads me to wonder if perhaps she has aborted....

This is murder. And the people...specifically those who would vote him into the Presidency, ought to know of it.

Date: 2008-06-15 06:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] savyleartist.livejournal.com
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.

It's so refreshing to find someone who agrees with me on subjects of polotics. It's very rare to find some one who puts out their political opinion like an adult. I only know a few people like this, and even fewer who agree with me.

The next thing you know, people who are born into poverty won't be human beings, either, or those of us who have physical disabilities, or deformities. With this line of thinking, it's okay to kill someone if they are unwanted or deemed a burden. Terri Schiavo, anyone?
Exactly, who is Obama, or any pro-abortion person, to dictate who is a person. With this it'll only snowball like you said.

Date: 2008-06-15 06:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] last-archangel.livejournal.com
Thank you for being so brave to say this. Many pro-lifers are either too afraid to say anything, or they're too disheartened by what seems to be an endless, futile fight. I'm glad you still have the passion to get angry. I just get...tired. And sad. I used to get angry; I wish I still could.

Date: 2008-06-15 06:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kailorien.livejournal.com
Thats just nasty! And very very wrong! Because I don't like him for his opinions, does that mean I can consider him "not a person" and because he's so willing to allow other to take a life, does that make it right to take his? That of his family? No. It doesn't.

I'm completely against abortion. I don't care how you got pregenant (in that sense, I do have compassion and empathy for those that go through things like rape etc...) but there are always other options, adoption, foster care, plus some of us believe in a wonderful God who creates every single unborn child (that includes you and me) for a destiny and a purpose in Him.

Date: 2008-06-15 07:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyneferankh.livejournal.com
I've been reading about this, I honestly don't see how people can know about this and really believe that the man is an "idealist" * shudder *

Date: 2008-06-15 07:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabrinafair2.livejournal.com
Although, I am somewhat left-wing on most topics, I cannot justify the murder of an innocent infant. IMO as soon as an embryo is formed it is a living human being. And no one except God has the right to take his or her life away. The only cases where I can somewhat justify it, is if there is a rape situation. And even then, it's very hard for me to agree with it. Partial-birth abortions, are especially unjustifiable to me. I just don't understand at all, how anyone could go through with an abortion or be pro-choice for a matter of fact. It seems so senseless to me, when so many couples want to children and can't have them; why not save a life and choose adoption?

Date: 2008-06-15 07:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
*applauds your icon* Amen!!!

Welcome to my journal, then, "officially". ;-D I too, have always abhorred the idea of Obama becoming president but I did not know he had such a disgusting opinion of babies and human life in general. You won't be hearing this anytime soon from the liberal wacko media, that's for sure.

I think our culture has chosen to delete the word ABSTINANCE from its vocabulary. And the idea that children are a "burden" is just downright disgusting. A lot of Europe feels this way, and the birth rate of certain countries is significantly lower than their death rate, which means they'll die out in a few generations if they keep their present course.

Imagine if Obama's mother had regarded him as an "unwanted burden." Hmmm, I wonder if he's ever thought about how lucky he is that his mother chose not to excercise her "right"?

Date: 2008-06-15 07:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
Wow, lol. :-) You're welcome! And I am likewise happy to meet a conservative person. :-) We are too few and far between, so welcome to my journal.

Date: 2008-06-15 07:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
I don't know that I am being very brave, when I am quite outspoken at home and somewhat less so online.

I too, get tired, and sad, and almost apathetic at times. But then I remember that that's what they want, and the last thing I want is to give in to the likes of baby killers. (plus I have a lot of Scottish and Irish blood in me -- perhaps that's where I get my temper!! lol)

Date: 2008-06-15 07:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
Unless the definition of "idealism" has changed to one of mass murder. :-/

Date: 2008-06-15 07:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
AMEN!! Very well put. I couldn't have said it any better. It's not the child's fault his father chose to rape his mother, and that's what adoption is for.

Date: 2008-06-15 07:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyneferankh.livejournal.com
* cries *

Looking at some of the "leaders" nowadays, I begin to wonder

Actually, I have heard some of this on TV, it's one of the things people like about him

* bawls some more *

LORD HAVE MERCY

Date: 2008-06-15 09:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lucilla27.livejournal.com
This does not surprise me.
I am terrified that Mr. Obama will become the next President of the United States.
You are brave indeed.
I posted something very similar in my journal not long ago and many people called me a racist. How dare they!
It has nothing to do with race.
I want a world where my children will grow up to believe all life is sacred.
Mr. Obama is so far left he truly scares me.
What is happening to our world?
God have mercy on us.
God bless you for being this brave.

Kimmy

Date: 2008-06-15 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magic-frybread.livejournal.com
Oh my Lord. Thank you so much for sharing this. It sickens me so much to think how people can be so narrow-minded as to see a living human being as only what they want to see, ugh, it's just awful.

Could you please post the link from where you got this article? I'd like to share it with some other pro-life people I know.

Date: 2008-06-15 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raven-moon.livejournal.com
I respect your concerns, but I have some things I would like to point out. I read the article, and noticed a few things. For one, Obama is quoted only sparsely, yet the article is written as though all of it was taken directly from him. Yes, this case is extreme, and obviously upsetting, but I did a little digging on the author of this article, and found that he has published several op-ed pieces like this one, which have been heavily criticized for making drastic claims with little or no evidence. He it part of "American Values," an ultra-conservative Washington think tank, which itself has been criticized even by members of the right wing for not backing up its factual claims.

I know Obama is pro-choice, and it's one of the things I like most about him. (I am happy to calmly discuss why I find that position to be both morally and ethically defensible if you like) However, tis article seems, from all the evidence, to be largely inflammatory, crafted to rouse a sense of emotional outrage in the political arena, rather than inform. I think it is always advisable to take op-ed articles like this with a healthy dose of skepticism.

Date: 2008-06-15 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] savyleartist.livejournal.com
*clap* Very well put. I don't understand how any logical human being can not see this simple solution to somethign they call a 'problem'. If Obama is such a visionary, why can he envision a more moral and logical America?

Date: 2008-06-15 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] savyleartist.livejournal.com
Yes, we are. It is so pleasant to find some one else who loves the feild of art who is conservitive. Your very brave, you know. Most of my friends wouldn't dream of posting somethign as, well considering where you are posting this, radically different from the popular opinion. I like very much that you are ccalm and logical in your argument (because usually when I'm putting out an opinion, I rant :-P)

It makes me sick how so many call him a 'visionary'. By what he's said and voted for, i think the term, 'Pro-Muderer' is appropriate.
Why can he not just be pro-abstinence? I mean he wants change so much-I'd say goign down that route *would* be a change in today's America.

Date: 2008-06-15 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airehen.livejournal.com
I agree with you.

As my dad says: "God help us."

Date: 2008-06-15 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] renoir-girl.livejournal.com
Sensational comments are usually disproven and are, therefore, actually boring.

Date: 2008-06-15 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] viking-quest.livejournal.com
Any person who's willing to deny the rights of a newborn baby should never become president.

Yay for you to bring this to the attention of others because I never knew about it.

Date: 2008-06-15 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] midenianscholar.livejournal.com
Gross. *shudder*

We can prevent this, though. If conservatives turned up to vote for McCain, even though he isn't ideal, we could beat Obama.

If we don't, he'll pass this law and it will be a long, long, long time (if ever) before we can reverse it, and we will never be able to make up for the lost lives.

Date: 2008-06-15 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] charmattackk.livejournal.com
this definitely has nothing to do with your entry, but i must know:

where did you get your layout?? it's fantastic.

Date: 2008-06-15 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
Sadly art seems to scare a lot of conservatives away for some reason.

I'm flattered that I should be regarded as brave! I'm sure there's anything brave about doing something that I have no fear of doing, lol.

I'm afraid that I am not quite as "calm and logical" in person because my emotions oftentimes get the best of me, lol.

A nation-wide abstinence movement would be wonderful. I admire Rebecca St. James for taking such a firm stand on the issue, herself. :-)

Date: 2008-06-15 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
Exaaactly. He's lucky his mother didn't choose her "right" over her child!

That's a touchy issue, but why should the child be punished more harshly for it's father's crime than most hard-core murderers in prison are treated? I believe that is what adoption is for.

Re: LORD HAVE MERCY

Date: 2008-06-15 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
Why is it racist to disapprove of someone's politics? I like Alan Keyes, and he is black. That's just what people say when they are running out of other things, lol.
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