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I stumbled across this video quite by accident, but after watching it, I just couldn't not post it here. To be honest, I think I would have felt guilty if I did not.

If evil triumphs because good men do nothing, and ignorance the root and the stem of every evil, then perhaps I will have done some good by speaking out against this horrific atrocity.

Watch the video, and look at the pictures.


Warning: The video isn't graphic, but the pictures that I've linked to below, are, quite frankly, horrific. This isn't CSI we're talking about, with fake dead bodies, these are real human beings. Dead babies that have been murdered. Living souls that have been snuffed out like so many candles. Tiny hands that will never grasp, little hearts that will never beat again.

Unless you're prone to squeamishness, I strongly advise looking at the images, but also taking care while you do so. They are not pretty. They're sobering, they're shocking, and they're thought-provoking. I know it's not fun to look at dead babies, but I think we need to see this.


I do know that a lot of people don't believe that abortion is murder, because a fetus isn't a baby, right? It's not a human being, it's a "fish" or some other such entity. Right? Well, you take a good look at these pictures, and then you tell me what abortion is.

This is what "a woman's right to choose" is. And this, and this, and this. This baby was beheaded.


Comments will be screened.

*sits back and waits for the firing squad*

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Date: 2009-03-12 10:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kf-creations.livejournal.com
without a doubt one of the sadest things i have seen in a while. Thanks for posting it up.

the word embryo is referred to as a clump of cell. when more or what you have linked to is shown, maybe in time people will realise it is indeed a life that looks like a human in a mini form will sink in.

Date: 2009-03-12 10:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marianneevans.livejournal.com
When a society as a whole does not respect the beginnings of life, it opens the door for that society to commit other life treating atrocities without hesitation......from the World According to MAE. Now that is my two cents worth of wisdom!

Date: 2009-03-12 11:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracytatro.livejournal.com
I don't understand this because many women who can not have a baby so desire.
And when a woman can give birth to a child, but kills him - this is not correct.
But on the other hand, for example we have in Russia, in the villages, many who have given birth, but can not then provide the children.
Children curse their parents for their poor childhood and growing up is not very good, both materially and spiritually.
so this is a controversial issue.

P.S.Sorry, I can make mistakes in grammar

Date: 2009-03-12 11:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elvenjaneite.livejournal.com
That is horrible and distressing. My church (Eastern Orthodox) has always recognized that life begins at conception and to think anything else just doesn't make sense to me.

On the other hand, I will just say this--the right to live without being abused and killed horribly does not end with bith. I'm NOT accusing you of this mindset but I have seen it sometimes--we (Christians, I mean) advocate for the unborn but ignore the other horrors that go on. Not that we need to stop advocating for the unborn children, just that we need to also broaden our horizons.

Also, that we need to really understand the situations that women are put in which lead them to have abortions. Sure, some people are selfish and cold hearted and just want to avoid dealing with children but there are many more who honestly think it's their only option or who, heartbreakingly, are forced to have abortions by parents, boyfriends, or husbands. Have you ever read Real Women, Real Choices by Frederica Mathewes-Green? It's a wonderful examination of just this issue without being anything but pro-life.

Again, NOT accusing you of either of these mindsets, just contemplating what we as Christians could do better.

Date: 2009-03-12 01:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] rolypoly-laurie.livejournal.com
Sadness overwhelms me every time I see this, hear of abortions or just sit and think about it..thank you for posting.

Date: 2009-03-12 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redkakumei.livejournal.com
Honey, those pictures are fakes, it takes much longer to the baby to develop...

You can read more information about it here:
http://www.lifeandlibertyforwomen.org/truth_about_photos.html

and here:
http://foreverinhell.blogspot.com/2009/01/fake-photos.html

I defend the right of very woman as do with her body as they want, though I don't think I could get an abortion myself...

Date: 2009-03-12 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ancientwhispers.livejournal.com
My parents used to take me to Pro-Life rallies all the time when I was little because they had no babysitter, so I was exposed to the horific atrocities early on. I know the sick reality of abortion. I've seen the pictures. For years they gave me nightmares when I was young. The last time I went to a rally, I saw the pictures and afterwards couldn't eat for a whole week or maybe more. It would crush me when I'd see so many people drive by in their cars and not even flinch at the sight of those pictures. I, an extremely sensitive person, cannot understand how people can be so cold, so heartless. It breaks my heart. And I'm so sick of the excuse that "It's just pregnancy tissue". Ugh, it just makes me sick!

Hooray for Lauren who's standing up for what's right!



Date: 2009-03-12 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabrinafair2.livejournal.com
Not watching, because I do happen to be very squeamish to those sort of things. But it really bothers me when my friends discuss abortion as if it's just tissue to be disposed of. I'm sorry but unless you were sexually assaulted or you yourself are going to die due to the birth, then I think the person shouldn't get a "jail free" card and given an abortion. They should have thought about the consequences before having unprotected sex.

Date: 2009-03-12 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madame-faust.livejournal.com
Not watching since it deeply disturbs me to see images like this. I just wanted to comment that I think it's commendable that you gave the warning before linking to the video. I have absolutely no problem with people speaking out against abortion or protesting, but there is a certain pro-life group in my state that shows these images on the side of a trailer they drive around city streets, no warning, no explanation, just pictures of aborted fetuses. By contrast, there is another pro-life group that buys billboards that show living babies or babies still in the womb, which I think is far better for communicating a message of life to the public.

Date: 2009-03-12 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shabby-chick.livejournal.com
Their founder (of Planned Parenthood), Margaret Sanger, once said, "the most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."

Life may not be perfect, but it is beautiful enough to allow each person to live it. I really don't understand how people can support this.

Date: 2009-03-12 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelofmusic189.livejournal.com
....

I have no words.

=(

Date: 2009-03-12 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
So are you saying these pictures are fabricated, as in fake babies, or are you calling them fake because certain pro-life groups have (mis)labeled a baby as a few weeks older?

I find it very interesting that your "proof" of such allegations comes from pro-choice websites, which clearly have a motive in discrediting the pro-life camp.

I defend the right of very woman as do with her body as they want

So do I, but abortion is not just about the woman's body. There are two bodies in question, and the rights of the helpless are being trampled for the sake of expediency or whatever excuses can be drummed up. If there is no rape, incest, or "threat to the mother" involved, then how on earth does a person justify something like this??

Date: 2009-03-12 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
I know. Somehow the other "fun" stuff I was doing at the time seemed so...trivial.

Date: 2009-03-12 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
Amen! Abortion today, execution of the mentally challenged or physically handicapped tomorrow?

Date: 2009-03-12 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madame-faust.livejournal.com
I just feel like I should clarify this quote. Margaret Sanger was not a proponent of abortion. She was actually very much involve in the female contraceptive movement. Another quote of hers, from her work Women's Struggle for Freedom, is, "It is apparent that nothing short of contraceptives can put an end to the horrors of abortion and infanticide." She was trying to make the argument that birth control, as a means of preventing pregnancy before life is formed, is preferable to families having more children than they can afford to feed. That was what led her to make the original quote, she was stating that it is a horrifying reality that families, dealing with more children than they can care for, the greater mercy would be to kill any children who come into the family. She was actually very much anti-abortion during her lifetime.

Date: 2009-03-12 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
I know what you mean, doesn't anyone believe in adoption anymore??

Don't worry about your grammar, I see plenty of born-and-raised Americans who don't make an effort to speak proper English. ;-)

Date: 2009-03-12 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
You are 110% right, and thank you for bringing it up. A lot of Christians have the habit of "starting" something, but not finishing it. At a conference I attended recently, they were discussing how the church is so focused on "getting people saved" that it's failing to equip believers past the "trust in Jesus!" stage, and we're reaping the effects of that.

Nope, I haven't read that. I take it that it's something you liked?

Date: 2009-03-12 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
Yeah, that's pretty much how I felt.

Great icon btw! :-D

Date: 2009-03-12 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elvenjaneite.livejournal.com
At a conference I attended recently, they were discussing how the church is so focused on "getting people saved" that it's failing to equip believers past the "trust in Jesus!" stage, and we're reaping the effects of that.

That's interesting. It's less of an issue in my denomination because we're not OSAS, but then other problems come up.

Nope, I haven't read that. I take it that it's something you liked?

Definitely! The author was once pro-choice, so she knows how to speak to that crowd, but she has very important things to say to both camps. And she's now very firmly pro-life. You can read an essay on a similar topic on her website (http://www.frederica.com/writings/from-pro-choice-to-pro-life.html).

I feel like both sides need to rethink. The pro-choice camp needs to realize that abortion IS painful. That women who have abortions DO suffer. That's putting aside the larger moral issues. And the pro-life camp needs to realize the very real pressures that are put on women to have abortions (as I already mentioned).

Date: 2009-03-12 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
And yet she founded the American Birth Control League which eventually became Planned Parenthood.

One of the goals of her organization (as taken from Wikipedia):
Sterilization of the insane and mentally retarded and the encouragement of this operation upon those afflicted with inherited or transmissible diseases, with the understanding that sterilization does not deprive the individual of his or her sex expression, but merely renders him incapable of producing children.

She nevertheless advocated certain instances of coercion, in cases where she considered the parents unfit to decide whether they should bear children:

"The undeniably feeble-minded should, indeed, not only be discouraged but prevented from propagating their kind."


Apparently Margaret Sanger was also a racist:
It is said that a fish as large as a man has a brain no larger than the kernel of an almond. In all fish and reptiles where there is no great brain development, there is also no conscious sexual control. The lower down in the scale of human development we go the less sexual control we find. It is said that the aboriginal Australian, the lowest known species of the human family, just a step higher than the chimpanzee in brain development, has so little sexual control that police authority alone prevents him from obtaining sexual satisfaction on the streets.

Yeah, what a wonderful woman she was. [/sarcasm]

Date: 2009-03-12 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
I'm not squeamish at all, and I was more affected by those photos than I have been by anything in quite a long time.

*hugs*

Date: 2009-03-12 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
I'm sorry but unless you were sexually assaulted or you yourself are going to die due to the birth, then I think the person shouldn't get a "jail free" card and given an abortion. They should have thought about the consequences before having unprotected sex.

Amen! Couldn't've put it any better myself.

Date: 2009-03-12 09:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] rolypoly-laurie.livejournal.com
Thank you, I made it! Feel free to snag! :-)

Date: 2009-03-12 09:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
you gave the warning before linking to the video.

Well, even though I think every person who supports abortion seriously NEEDS to see those photos, I'm not going to shove them under someone's nose.

By contrast, there is another pro-life group that buys billboards that show living babies or babies still in the womb, which I think is far better for communicating a message of life to the public.

There is a place for both, I think, and sometimes the horrific images are called for. We aren't going to prevent wars by showing happy smiling people out on picnics, but images of the atrocities of war might. Pictures of fluffy kittens and cute baby peeps aren't going to keep people from abusing animals, but bringing to light pictures depicting cruel treatments and injuries sustaining from those abuses might. Likewise, pictures of adorable babies aren't always as effective as the aftermath of an abortion.

Date: 2009-03-12 10:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olde-fashioned.livejournal.com
Regardless of the context, I agree with you that such a thing is unimaginably cruel to even think, let alone say or do.
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